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		<title>Hello Old Friend</title>
		<link>http://blog.stchur.com/2008/10/10/hello-old-friend/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sstchur</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[More evidence that I was right when I wrote this post. Won't be long now IE6...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More <a href = "http://orderedlist.com/articles/hello-old-friend" title = "font-size with pixels no longer considered harmful">evidence</a> that I was right when I wrote <a href = "http://blog.stchur.com/2008/01/15/ie5-is-dead-and-ie6-is-on-death-row/" title = "IE5 is Dead (and IE6 is on Death Row)">this post</a>.</p>

<p>Won't be long now IE6...</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Wither IE6?</title>
		<link>http://blog.stchur.com/2008/07/22/wither-ie6/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sstchur</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome aboard guys. Glad you finally decided to start thinking about what I discussed long ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome aboard <a href = "http://ajaxian.com/archives/pondering-support-of-ie6" title = "Pondering Support for IE6">guys</a>.  Glad you <em>finally</em> decided to start thinking about what <a href = "http://blog.stchur.com/2008/01/15/ie5-is-dead-and-ie6-is-on-death-row/" title = "IE5 is dead (and IE6 is on death row)">I discussed</a> long ago.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Firefox 3</title>
		<link>http://blog.stchur.com/2008/06/19/firefox-3/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sstchur</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well unless you've been living under a rock, you know that Firefox 3 was released on Tuesday. This is a big deal for me. When other browser makers release a new version, it's like eh... ok, that's cool (I guess). But when Mozilla releases a new Firefox, I've got a brand new shiny app to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well unless you've been living under a rock, you know that <a href = "http://www.getfirefox.com" Title = "Firefox">Firefox 3</a> was released on Tuesday.  This is a big deal for me. When other browser makers release a new version, it's like eh... ok, that's cool (I guess).  But when Mozilla releases a new Firefox, I've got a brand new shiny app to get me through my day to day web browsing.</p>

<p>Besides the new theme (on Windows) being a little bland, FF3 does <em>not</em> disappoint!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Live Search News</title>
		<link>http://blog.stchur.com/2008/04/16/live-search-news/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sstchur</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Microsoft has released Live Search News, a direct competitor to Google News. I must say that the interface is very nice. Much cleaner than Google's, and since I'm not a big fan of Google (as a company), I've gone ahead and made Live Search News my "go-to" site for all things news. And it's not [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft has released <a href = "http://news.live.com" title = "Live Search News">Live Search News</a>, a direct competitor to Google News.</p>

<p>I must say that the interface is very nice.  Much cleaner than Google's, and since I'm not a big fan of Google (as a company), I've gone ahead and made Live Search News my "go-to" site for all things news.</p>

<p>And it's not just me who thinks it's pretty impressive: <a href = "http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9919801-7.html" title = "Live Search News Review from CNET">CNET</a> thinks so too.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>IE8 to act like IE8!</title>
		<link>http://blog.stchur.com/2008/03/03/ie8-to-act-like-ie8/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sstchur</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like all the whining and moaning finally paid off. Who said Microsoft doesn't listen to the community?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like all the whining and moaning finally <a href = "http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/03/microsoft-s-interoperability-principles-and-ie8.aspx" title = "Microsoft's Interoperability Principles and IE8">paid off</a>.  Who said Microsoft doesn't listen to the community?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Apple Cheats</title>
		<link>http://blog.stchur.com/2008/02/28/apple-cheats/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sstchur</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It's never been a big secret to me that Apple (the company) isn't all peaches 'n cream. Of course, Apple fan boys would have you believe that the company is wonderful and can do no wrong. The fan boys probably honestly believe this themselves. Others however, know better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's never been a big secret to me that Apple (the company) isn't all peaches 'n cream.  Of course, Apple fan boys would have you believe that the company is wonderful and can do no wrong.</p>

<p>The fan boys probably honestly believe this themselves.</p>

<p>Others however, <a href = "http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2008/02/apple_cheats_fa.html" title = "Apple Cheats -- Fails at open">know better</p>.]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Zen Garden / Coffee Break</title>
		<link>http://blog.stchur.com/2008/02/19/zen-garden-coffee-break/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sstchur</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just noticed that my submission to the CSS Zen Garden is finally listed. It didn't "make the cut" for the official list, but it's listed on page 2 of the archives for Other Submissions. See the archives where my design is listed, or view my design, Coffee Break, directly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just noticed that my submission to the CSS Zen Garden is finally listed.  It didn't "make the cut" for the official list, but it's listed on page 2 of the archives for Other Submissions.</p>

<p>See the <a href = "http://www.mezzoblue.com/zengarden/alldesigns/others/page2/" title = "CSS Zen Garden / Other Submissions">archives</a> where my design is listed, or view my design, <a href = "http://csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.stchur.com/personal/coffeebreak/coffeebreak.css" title = "Coffee Break by Stephen Stchur">Coffee Break</a>, directly.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>IE7 Auto Update</title>
		<link>http://blog.stchur.com/2008/01/21/ie7-auto-update/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sstchur</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[To further validate my previous post, InfoWorld has a new article out which explains how Microsoft is warning businesses of an impending auto update to IE7. Buh-bye IE6! Nice knowing ya.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To further validate my <a href = "http://blog.stchur.com/2008/01/15/ie5-is-dead-and-ie6-is-on-death-row/" title = "IE5 is Dead (and IE6 is on Death Row)">previous post</a>, <a href = "http://www.infoworld.com/" title = "InfoWorld">InfoWorld</a> has <a href = "http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&#038;A=/article/08/01/17/Microsoft-warns-businesses-of-autoupdate-to-IE7_1.html" title = "Microsoft warns of impending auto update to IE7">a new article</a> out which explains how Microsoft is warning businesses of an impending auto update to IE7.<p>

<p>Buh-bye IE6!  Nice knowing ya.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>IE5 is dead (and IE6 is on death row)</title>
		<link>http://blog.stchur.com/2008/01/15/ie5-is-dead-and-ie6-is-on-death-row/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sstchur</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I installed Windows 98 a week ago. You're probably wondering why in the world I would do this. Or maybe you're thinking that I did it in order to test something in IE5. I did not. But I did have a very good reason for installing Windows 98: Comcast was scheduled to come and install [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I installed Windows 98 a week ago.  You're probably wondering why in the world I would do this.  Or maybe you're thinking that I did it in order to test something in IE5.  I did not.</p>
	<p>But I did have a very good reason for installing Windows 98: Comcast was scheduled to come and install high-speed internet.</p>
	<p>I always hate this process because the tech <em>insists</em> that he has to install software on my computer in order to get the Internet up and running (complete crap).  And inevitably, it's some sort of annoying Comcast branded version of Internet Explorer that somehow manages to seep into the very core of Windows and muck up every application that I care about.</p>
	<p>But I have this old laptop computer that weighs about 138 lbs, has a cracked case, a broken USB port, and overheats all the time, so I have it propped up with little foam legs that I taped to the bottom of it using double-sided tape.</p>
	<p>Previously, it was running Ubuntu, but I figured installing Windows 98 on it would be perfect for when the Comcast guy came.  He could install all the crapware he wanted to on that computer, and I wouldn't care because that computer was going right back into box in the garage where I probably wouldn't use it again until the next time I needed Comcast to install Internet.</p>
	<p>So anyway, I got Windows 98 installed (strangely, the Internet was working even before the Comcast guy came, but only for an hour or so), so I promptly fired up IE (version 5 is what ships with Windows 98) in order to go to Windows Update, because you know... after 10 years, I figured there was probably one or two security updates to install.</p>
	<p>Not sure why I didn't realize this would be the case, but as soon as I went to Windows Update, I was greeted with a message telling me that Windows 98 is no longer supported and no updates would be available.</p>
	<p>Well crap!</p>
	<p>Well, no, not really crap -- what do I care?  This computer's only purpose was to be mucked up by the Comcast guy anyway.</p>
	<p><em>But</em>, it did make me realize that anyone who is still using Windows 98 today and who (for whatever reason) doesn't have IE6 installed (unlikely I know, but still...) would never even be <em>able</em> to install it.</p>
	<p>So this got me thinking... what <em>is</em> today's support for IE5.x like?  I know standardistas are always barking about how we should be supporting as many browers as possible, and IE5 is often mentioned in the same breath.  I've also heard that IE5.x still holds roughly 2% of the market share.  But I wanted to know, in real, practical terms: Is there any point in still supporting this dinosaur?</p>
	<p>My answer is an emphatic no!</p>
	<p>Virtually every major web site I visited had multiple scripting errors.  And I'm not just talking smaller, unknown sites either.  These were major sites: Mozilla.com, and Yahoo Mail, just to name a couple.</p>
	<p>After mere minutes of browsing, I was convinced that IE5 is dead.  Or at the very least, practical support for it is dead.</p>
	<p>This isn't really news to me.  IE5 has been dead to me, personally, for a long time.  Despite what standardistas would have you believe, supporting archaric browsers with poor scripting capabilities does <em>not</em> "move the web forward."</p>
	<p>On the contrary, if we continue to put in the extra effort required to support low-grade browsers, what motivation will users of such browsers have to upgrade?</p>
	<p>I would argue that we're actually doing a <em>dis</em>service by continue to support low-grade browers.</p>
	<p>Now don't get me wrong.  I fully understand and appreciate that some users have no choice.  They have to use screen readers, or text based browsers, or what have you.  And I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't continue to write good semantic markup, or that we shouldn't write unobtrusive javascript that uses progressive enhancement techniques.  We can and should do all of those things.</p>
	<p>But I don't necessarily consider text based browsers or screen readers to be "low-grade" or "incapable" pieces of software.  IE5 is a whole different beast.  It wears the facade of a modern, capable browser when in reality, it is anything but.  Screen readers and text based browsers aren't that hard to accomodate, but IE5 is just a royal pain in the butt.</p>
	<p>Furthermore, users of IE5 don't fall into that previously mentioned group of users who "have no other choice."  If you're voluntarily using IE5, it's most likely not because you have some disability (other than perhaps, being too stupid to upgrade your browser).</p>
	<p>No, users of IE5 should <em>not</em> be accomodated in my opinion.  It doesn't help the web.  It doesn't help me (as a web designer), and it certainily doesn't help them.</p>
	<p>What <em>will</em> help users of IE5 is a little browser education.  Maybe the latest version of IE isn't avaiable on the version of Windows they're running, but there are plenty of good, viable, alternatives, and those alternatives are what will help users of IE5, and ultimately the web.</p>
	<p>Finally, my feelings on IE6 are pretty much the same as that of IE5, though we're not quite there with IE6 -- no one is going to argue that point, as IE6 still has significant market share.</p>
	<p>However, (and this is a big however), IE6 <em>should not</em> have significant market share for much longer.  As web developers, we need to see to it that it doesn't.  I'm talking another year, maybe a year and half, tops, and then, SLAM!  The door on support for IE6 needs to be shut.  Some will call me crazy and say I'm being too extreme, but I don't think so.</p>
	<p>We <em>can't</em> keep supporting these low-grade browsers if we expect to move the web in a positive direction.  We're reaching the limit on how far modern web apps can go if we're forced to make them work with ancient and incapable browsers.</p>
	<p>For IE5, the time has come and gone.  For IE6, its days are numbered.  Get ready to dump it.  Get ready to party, because it will be a happy day when IE6 is no more, and I believe that day is (or can be, at least) closer than most of us think.</p>
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		<title>You Dirty Rat!</title>
		<link>http://blog.stchur.com/2008/01/15/your-dirty-rat/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sstchur</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow! I really don't know what else to say. How could a company sink this low? This is one amazingly dirty little trick -- I know I won't have anything to do with Network Solutions ever again, ever!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href = "http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/network-solutions-using-questionable-tactic-to-sell-more-domain-names/" title = "Network Solutions is playing dirty"><strong>Wow!</strong></a></p>

<p>I really don't know what else to say.  How could a company sink this low?</p>

<p>This is one amazingly dirty little trick -- I know I won't have anything to do with Network Solutions ever again, <em>ever</em>!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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